As a psychologist who has worked at length with domestic abuse- this is unnerving. I’m left shook with the mockery, gaslighting, deflection, and overall emotional violence. He’s trying to speak and change the direction, but he becomes lost in the internalization of violence—which is a universal experience of victims of domestic violence. I’m left heartbroken.
Thank you for the work you do! I didn’t know much about Johnny’s personal life before last week. I did some research when I heard about the trial and came across a few audio clips, listened and knew instantly that she was the abuser. Sadly I know the signs all too well as I was in an abusive relationship for 8 years. Covert narcissist. It was awful. I felt pain every single day. I FEEL Johnny’s pain sitting on that stand. Reliving ALL that pain all over again. My heart is absolutely crushing for him.
Thank you for the work that you do. As a survivor of domestic abuse your work is valuable. Johnny's story and mine are quiet similar. Abuse from an early age playing over into our lives as adults. I firmly believe that experiencing abuse as a child draws you to those with an abusive nature as an adult.
I am also a victim of DV...I can see the same traits in her that I saw in my X. Shouting and screaming, then oh so sorry, and it won't happen again...until the next time. Anything small thing can trigger these people, and they try to draw you in....
Kristen did you by any chance see the commentary on court TV by their DV counselor? I was shocked. She basically said JD was clearly physically abusive just based off the verbal evidence (texts and such) as well as drug use.
I haven’t seen it and I vehemently disagree. In my experience, in domestic violence, there can be violence on both sides, however there usually is a clear perpetrator and victim. Meaning, conflict gets heated and both parties, to a degree become violent. Not always, but this is often the case. Of course substances can increase violence, but not always as sometimes they are used as an avoidance or numbing effect. I strongly disagree with this dv Couselor as it appears, to me, that JD is the victim in this relationship. He may have become violent verbally at times, but it appears to me that was out of defense of her manipulations, gas lighting, sideways motives, etc. He appears to be ashamed and able to take accountability of those violent responses—a healthy response to his behaviors. The perpetrator (eg AH) rarely takes any accountability in domestically violent relationships. This is a clear, cookie cutter DV case imo- and JD is sadly the victim.
She was on court TV. Maria P something. I’m a social worker and I was shocked at what she said. I could see how she might assume such things are likely w her clients for the purposes of safety planning. But that’s not the same as a trial. If anything I think she could be sued for defamation!
This is extremely unnerving and I am only at the 42mins mark. It’s making me bristle so much that I wonder if I can listen to the end. You are hearing the manifestation of a twisted psyche, emotionally baiting, and then manipulating someone, for whom the will to see through this, is so gaslit. It is a cruel, slow and painful character assassination. For what? Nothing. I feel nauseous after listing to this.
Can a psychologist diagnose her please? I know she’s abusive, but there has to be some kind of personality disorder here. This was shocking. She’s incredibly unstable and twisted.
I could relate to this conversation with my past experience of emotional and domestic violence during a 10 year relationship with my ex. The taunting and gaslighting is so clear in this. No one should ever have to endure this type of relationship, but that is hard to understand when we are blinded of the truth while in the midst of it. She pops back and forth so much between 'i love you' and 'you're a joke' which is a perfect example of emotional manipulation. Johnny isn't perfect, but I believe he is telling the truth. Heard clearly lacks any respect and empathy for Johnny as a fellow human being. I do not post negative things online, but Heard is clearly a child. I truly hope that Johnny succeeds in restoring his honor as the artist that he is.
Wow- she is terrible. He actually sounded a bit sad through it- angry but sad. She just seemed angry that she wasn’t controlling him anymore. He was right Heard sounds a lot like his mother.
This is absolutely heartbreaking...I'm a survivor of DV... And these are textbook tactics from her... They twist and turn everything you do and say, never able to sympathize or even care they are doing anything wrong. I feel for Johnny Depp so much. Amber is clearly the abuser in this situation.
Hey there. New sub here. The vid says ‘unavailable’ because it was ‘taken down by the user.’ What was this vid about/is there another way I can watch it?
I just want to say. Since I started following you never I had to look at anything with an unbiased opinion. You have for ever changed the way I see things! I thank you for that!
At the beginning of this I thought she was hiding the fact that she would record their arguments, but why is he also recording or allowing it? Is there no privacy? I just didn’t understand how they have hours of recordings? I can’t even imagine recoding an argument with my husband.
She was the one recording (and taking pictures of him passed out, etc.) from the beginning. If you listen to the audio (recorded in the aftermath of the Australia incident) you hear his security guy warn someone else there that she listens to everything. I think Johnny realized at some point that she had all the control, recording without their knowledge and cherry picking what to share. So he started trying to record conversations too. My sense is his was less about capturing “fights,” but having conversations where she would admit to her own behavior or where he could show her natural (painful) way of interacting with him.
I read somewhere that it was recommended to them by a counsellor or therapist of some kind to both record their arguments— you can hear Heard is aware he’s recording several times throughout this one.
As a psychologist who has worked at length with domestic abuse- this is unnerving. I’m left shook with the mockery, gaslighting, deflection, and overall emotional violence. He’s trying to speak and change the direction, but he becomes lost in the internalization of violence—which is a universal experience of victims of domestic violence. I’m left heartbroken.
Thank you for the work you do! I didn’t know much about Johnny’s personal life before last week. I did some research when I heard about the trial and came across a few audio clips, listened and knew instantly that she was the abuser. Sadly I know the signs all too well as I was in an abusive relationship for 8 years. Covert narcissist. It was awful. I felt pain every single day. I FEEL Johnny’s pain sitting on that stand. Reliving ALL that pain all over again. My heart is absolutely crushing for him.
Thank you for the work that you do. As a survivor of domestic abuse your work is valuable. Johnny's story and mine are quiet similar. Abuse from an early age playing over into our lives as adults. I firmly believe that experiencing abuse as a child draws you to those with an abusive nature as an adult.
I am also a victim of DV...I can see the same traits in her that I saw in my X. Shouting and screaming, then oh so sorry, and it won't happen again...until the next time. Anything small thing can trigger these people, and they try to draw you in....
Kristen did you by any chance see the commentary on court TV by their DV counselor? I was shocked. She basically said JD was clearly physically abusive just based off the verbal evidence (texts and such) as well as drug use.
I haven’t seen it and I vehemently disagree. In my experience, in domestic violence, there can be violence on both sides, however there usually is a clear perpetrator and victim. Meaning, conflict gets heated and both parties, to a degree become violent. Not always, but this is often the case. Of course substances can increase violence, but not always as sometimes they are used as an avoidance or numbing effect. I strongly disagree with this dv Couselor as it appears, to me, that JD is the victim in this relationship. He may have become violent verbally at times, but it appears to me that was out of defense of her manipulations, gas lighting, sideways motives, etc. He appears to be ashamed and able to take accountability of those violent responses—a healthy response to his behaviors. The perpetrator (eg AH) rarely takes any accountability in domestically violent relationships. This is a clear, cookie cutter DV case imo- and JD is sadly the victim.
She was on court TV. Maria P something. I’m a social worker and I was shocked at what she said. I could see how she might assume such things are likely w her clients for the purposes of safety planning. But that’s not the same as a trial. If anything I think she could be sued for defamation!
She is an evil evil person who is pushing and pushing to go no where but to make herself feel more powerful. This is abuse.
This is extremely unnerving and I am only at the 42mins mark. It’s making me bristle so much that I wonder if I can listen to the end. You are hearing the manifestation of a twisted psyche, emotionally baiting, and then manipulating someone, for whom the will to see through this, is so gaslit. It is a cruel, slow and painful character assassination. For what? Nothing. I feel nauseous after listing to this.
This is not a woman that is scared of domestic abuse, scared of the man she is baiting. Period.
Can a psychologist diagnose her please? I know she’s abusive, but there has to be some kind of personality disorder here. This was shocking. She’s incredibly unstable and twisted.
Dr. Shannon Curry did just that.
BPD?
I could relate to this conversation with my past experience of emotional and domestic violence during a 10 year relationship with my ex. The taunting and gaslighting is so clear in this. No one should ever have to endure this type of relationship, but that is hard to understand when we are blinded of the truth while in the midst of it. She pops back and forth so much between 'i love you' and 'you're a joke' which is a perfect example of emotional manipulation. Johnny isn't perfect, but I believe he is telling the truth. Heard clearly lacks any respect and empathy for Johnny as a fellow human being. I do not post negative things online, but Heard is clearly a child. I truly hope that Johnny succeeds in restoring his honor as the artist that he is.
Wow- she is terrible. He actually sounded a bit sad through it- angry but sad. She just seemed angry that she wasn’t controlling him anymore. He was right Heard sounds a lot like his mother.
I hope she’ll do time for this abuse, it doesn’t matter if you are a woman; If you abuse someone you have to pay for it
This is absolutely heartbreaking...I'm a survivor of DV... And these are textbook tactics from her... They twist and turn everything you do and say, never able to sympathize or even care they are doing anything wrong. I feel for Johnny Depp so much. Amber is clearly the abuser in this situation.
Will the jury get to listen to all of this?
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I'm only part way in (limited drama so far), but I'm enjoying the fact that JD doesn't realize that you don't need "dough" or "cash" for an Uber.
I just want to say. Since I started following you never I had to look at anything with an unbiased opinion. You have for ever changed the way I see things! I thank you for that!
Wow! He actually says he has a murderer on his hands at min 48:58
At the beginning of this I thought she was hiding the fact that she would record their arguments, but why is he also recording or allowing it? Is there no privacy? I just didn’t understand how they have hours of recordings? I can’t even imagine recoding an argument with my husband.
She was the one recording (and taking pictures of him passed out, etc.) from the beginning. If you listen to the audio (recorded in the aftermath of the Australia incident) you hear his security guy warn someone else there that she listens to everything. I think Johnny realized at some point that she had all the control, recording without their knowledge and cherry picking what to share. So he started trying to record conversations too. My sense is his was less about capturing “fights,” but having conversations where she would admit to her own behavior or where he could show her natural (painful) way of interacting with him.
I read somewhere that it was recommended to them by a counsellor or therapist of some kind to both record their arguments— you can hear Heard is aware he’s recording several times throughout this one.
AH is not sounding like a victim, she sounds very comfortable to push, taunt and goad.