Vance showed strength, poise and intellect. He articulated the conservative position well and talked about serving the country for each and every American. Really impressed with him. I enjoyed the respect from each side. You can tell that Harris/Walz never have to go outside of their comfort zone, all the state/mainstream media is pro-democrats. But on stages like this it can help to be accustomed to a tough crowd because you really need to have a spark of courage and a feeling of standing on your own. He did a great job.
Calm, cool, collected, clear, in command of the stage and the facts. Vance's transparency on changing his mind about Trump contrasted starkly with Walz's shifty off-topic rambling about having been ever so many times to China (who coached *that* answer!?!), only to concede in the end that he lied about Tiananmen Square. That was a house of cards - an entire city block of skyscrapers of cards - disintegrating in front of our eyes.
He came out terrified (and/or hopped up on something) and got lost in his own answers, failed at deflecting the easy ones, and seemed to give up in the first quarter. He's an assistant coach propped up by China, and every bit of that showed last night.
Yes, Gov. Waltz is a liar and can not be trusted, and VP Harris is a liar and can not be trusted. They are a matched pair intellectually, and both lack integrity.
Y’all will really believe anything as long as it supports your hatefulness. Two men have been proven to be liars and yet you still believe them. It’s comical at this point.
JD said “have mercy” a phrase I haven’t heard since back when Uncle Jesse was on Full House (Of course, Uncle Jesse used the word in a different context). But JD said it with such sincerity because he’s human and a dad that wants America to be a safe country for all children, including the children whose parents disagree with him. In that moment & honestly the entire debate, they both showed such respect for each other, and it was refreshing to see. Tonight gave me a renewed hope for respectful disagreements in a world filled with personal attacks.
It wasn’t difficult for him to look good against Walz. Walz admitted tonight to being a knucklehead and a liar, then continued to lie!
I have not been in the skeptic bus on Vance at all. He’s self made, been at and explored the bottom of life, learned from it and realized he needed to work hard to overcome life’s difficulties. I respect him a lot.
Go ahead and be upset about his cat lady stories and other exaggerations about his character but I’ll say this - if you had someone quoting you from your 20s to early 30s, would you sound smart all the time? It’s a known fact that our thinking brains aren’t fully developed until our mid twenties, with men’s brain possibly not fully developed until age 30, so I’m willing to forgive character challenges and changes as they age. However, Walz is definitely much older yet seems to have a life filled with half truths. That’s problematic at best.
If we’d vote as if we were hiring a CEO instead of a president would Walz be the best man for the acting CEO? I’d more likely choose a candidate (Vance) who has not only served his country, worked in the private sector successfully, and held public office. Being able to tell the truth about each of those roles is high on my list of qualifications , and Tim Walz falls very short on integrity.
Well I’m a college educated Christian woman from Appalachia, and we share a lot of the same traditional values. He does not hate women. He was raised by a strong woman.
I’m aware of where Ohio is, Carol. Do you know anything about where his family is from or where he spent a lot of his time? There is a movie version of his story if books are difficult for you.
Obviously, you have no idea of what it's like to grow up poor in Appalachia. He's not been groomed; no one would bother. The belief Vance has comes from within. You don't grow apart from pressure, and Vance had plenty of that in his early years. That's the reason he talks about issues instead of his lawn.
This is nonsense. Read Hillbilly Elegy. That's what brought him to prominence. Yale was on scholarship, where he struggled to fit in mainstream culture, having come from a subculture.
Grew up poor where? “Poor” was not the only issue that his family dealt with. Suggest you reading the book or spending some time with kids in the hollers of Appalachia.
According to Vance, he was blinded by the constant barrage of negative media. Then, Vance realized Trump’s policies were working. That he wasn’t a monster, but had been demonized.
You do realize I don’t know Vance personally. I only know what he last night during the debates. To satisfy your curiosity completely, call him yourself. Or simply google. It’s out there.
And since Trump's policies increased the deficit, bankrupted farmers and led to the worst Covid death toll in the developed world, I'm curious which Trump policies you think convinced him.
More so than you? You're plugging for a presidential candidate that was appointed by elites of the party, against the will of the voters, your statement lacks substance
Ding, Ding, Ding!! Finally, someone pointed out the coup that put VP Harris at the top of the ticket against the wishes of Democrat voters! LOOK, at what the Democrats did to Robert F Kennedy, Jr. !! And when it came to choosing a side, Democrat or Republican, Robert F Kennedy chose the Republican side that welcomed him and his ideas even when they disagreed. The Democrats would not even talk to him, and Pres. Biden denied him Secret Service Protection. I was for RFK Jr. long before he left the Democrat Party, and I'm following him to the other side, along with other Democrats. I found it so refreshing for JD Vance to say how he values his wife, brags about her accomplishments and success, and her abilities not just as the mother of his children, but as a smart and highly regarded attorney and corporate litigator. Regarding Waltz debate performance, I found Waltz's crazy eyes BIZARRE, and he look terrified and nervous. Waltz lied about his ties with China, and the moderators did not fact check Waltz, or hide how they favored him. Waltz stated during the debate he learned a lot about governing in CHINA, and that is exactly what the USA will be like if Harris/Waltz are elected. Kiss your FREEDOMS goodbye. In China, abortion is the least of a woman's worries and homosexuals are in a closet with Christians, and human organs are harvested from healthy living people and sold. How many immigrants are dying to go to China? I could go on and on. Everyday, I see so many people who are filled with apathy, and numb from trying to live with the constant struggle, and do not know who to trust. Main stream media intentionally hides the truth and puts spin on everything, which is why I read Substack daily. But, I warn all of you. Former Sen. John Kerry spoke at the World Economic Forum and wants to eliminate the First Amendment. Please all of you who can, read or listen to Matt Taibbi's speech at Rescue the Republic held in Washington DC this last weekend, 9/29/2024. Matt Taibbi is a Democrat, and a journalist with 30 years experience, and his speech was EPIC. The globalists want to eliminate the first amendment, because in John Kerry's words "it makes us too difficult to govern". Well, I now know our government has not been truthful, and un-elected bureaucrats want to take away our free speech and that includes what is stated in this substack written by a very smart and gifted journalist. I value your insight, Jessica Reed Kraus, I pray everyday that you will always have the freedom to continue your work.
Okay so his childhood had no impact on him? While didn’t pay his mom’s rent or help his gramma when she struggled to put food in the table. Those things matter. DO NOT even think that he wasn’t self made. He lived it and pulled himself up from the examples around him. He has integrity.
Apparently you haven’t read his book. His life story so far speaks for itself. Sorry you’re bitter. I know the poor whites don’t align with your world view.
Have not appreciated or liked Vance and his rhetoric but tonight i thought, i can get behind this. I’ve heard his wicked smart wife is owed some credit. Have lived in MN under Walz so who he was, nothing new to me. Really enjoyed the debate overall and the decency from both men. Bring this back to politics.
I hope none of your daughters or granddaughters have an ectopic pregnancy! They will bleed out for lack of care if these creeps get in the White House.
Yip well said. The access to abortions and women’s care in America is phenomenal. It’s only the Democrats who keep telling you it’s not, and as of now, think women realize how the Dems are using the abortion issue to get the vote. It’s clearly not working anymore.
Yes. I was disappointed Vance didn't point out what actually happened (woman took abortion pill and there were complications - a D&C should have been done immediatly). He also let Tim's lie about "145 police beat up and 4 died" - Something like that. I am thinking there was one more thing Vance let go but perhaps he was just trying to keep things moving. The death was awful but not the fault of abortion laws. The abortion pill is awful.
The one thing that I was bummed that Vance didn’t go in for the kill on, was when Tim started accusing Trump of wanting to put his political opponents in jail. And I was like, “hello!? That’s exactly what the Dems have been doing to Trump for years! “
Can you just stop?! Do you just sit around and play on this app all day long to put out nasty messages and negativity? You know exactly what I meant. The libs have been weaponizing the legal system to go after him and they are doing their damndest to put him in jail. Bye, KW. I’m so done with your trolling.
It didn’t help the two women that died in Georgia, doctors are afraid of going to jail so these women didn’t get the medical care that they deserved. You lie.
this is just an absolute lie. I’ve lived in texas all of my 36 years and have been in the midst of childbearing era with all my girlfriends for a decade now. have personally known close friends experience phenomenal care for ectopic pregnancies and other pregnancy complications that sadly ended in a d&c. I myself have been through miscarriage care in this heartbeat bill state. Women are getting good care from doctors everyday and any other situation is malpractice (which happened before abortion bans too- often to patients receiving abortions). Please stop repeating this lie
Ectopic pregnancy care is not considered "abortion." That is not included as the baby is not viable in an ectopic pregnancy. You are probably the most vile person I've ever come across online.
I would encourage ignoring whatever the news produced in NY, DC, LA says, and start a dialogue with women who actually live here. Love so much that Jessica promotes that!
I personally got care for miscarriage in 2023. The other 4 I’m thinking of were in 2021 and 2022 including ectopics. They’ve all had babies since those episodes too. You are spreading lies. Stop it.
All after 2016. If a woman experiences a miscarriage (which is medically tagged a spontaneous abortion but is from natural causes and is NOT abortion) in any state in this country, they have access to care that is protected by law including d&c and ectopic pregnancy and any doctor who lies about this should lose their license for malpractice. And any woman who spreads misinformation that scares other women from seeking care should STOP IT.
If the Democrats wanted women to have access to abortion on a federal level, they had 40 plus years to write and pass a law. They did not. They wanted to keep abortion in play for political reasons. Roe v Wade rested on weak Constitutional arguments—the right to privacy. Since the Constitution does not state that the right to privacy is an inalienable right, it is a state issue. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg stated that the Roe decision rested on shaky interpretation of the Constitution. The Democrats knew that Roe could easily be overturned with the right case being heard by the Supreme Court, still they proposed NO abortion legislation. They have only themselves to blame if they don’t like the laws states are passing.
Amber died because she took the abortion pill and became septic. Go do your research. If she had walked into ANY hospital ER she would not be denied care. Stop lying. She took a pill and ended up dying because of it. Nobody is being denied care, especially lifesaving care.
“ Amber Thurman, 28, had a rare complication from her abortion medication and went to Piedmont Henry Hospital in Stockbridge for a procedure that would remove tissue from the uterus. But doctors waited 20 hours to perform the dilation and curettage, allegedly leading to her death, according to Ben Crump, the family’s attorney.
Crump said the family intends to file a medical malpractice lawsuit.”
She was denied care for 20 hours and it killed her. Straight from her attorney.
I have someone I know who sat in the ER for 10 hours with pneumonia and became septic. People aren’t getting the care they need because hospitals are understaffed and clogged with people who can’t get care anywhere else. She wasn’t denied care because she had an abortion. If she had appendicitis the outcome would have been the same. And here’s a thought. If she didn’t take the pill to give herself an abortion, or if she sought medical care to have the child aborted she wouldn’t have died. Her body, her choice. She made it.
Her attorney is an ambulance chaser. Had she not taken the abortion pill she would still be alive.. Yes, she needed a D&C but wait until the other side puts on their defense before you get all hot and bothered. It is not a "rare complication." That pill is dangerous and causes severe bleeding and cramping. Read UnPlanned to educate yourself.
So for you, the most important thing in the world is the right to murder a baby, and you are more than willing to lie about it. Culture of Death: Kamala is the high priestess and Walz is the court jester. In May of 2023 Walz signed into law legislation that removed the requirement to try to save the life of a baby born alive after an attempted abortion. There is a commercial online with the sound of a baby suffocating to death under this law. That is what you represent. That is what you want for your daughters.
The most important thing is to keep mothers and children alive.
Which red states fail at.
The culture of death? You don't care if people died from Covid. You don't fund prenatal care. You for the most part turned down the Medicaid expansion. You're removing restrictions on child labor and childhood vaccinations.
You're poorer, sicker and less well educated.
There is not one positive thing red state populations excel at.
Perpetuating this nonsense is so ridiculous. No one would be denied emergency healthcare when having an ectopic pregnancy. Trying to keep the hysteria going by saying things like this is just absurd.
Bullshit and I’m sorry if you know someone who had an ectopic pregnancy I hope they have recovered from their ordeal. On the upside I have two cousins who both had ectopic pregnancies they both have gone on to fall pregnant again very easily.
Just do the research, don't just rely on narratives you're fed, it was a botched abortion, why did she take mifepristone?, where did she get it?, who gave it to her?, and what was the actual cause of death? Saying something is not true doesn't make it true
She went to North Carolina to get the mifepristone because she was in an early stage of pregnancy with twins. It's not illegal in North Carolina.
Unfortunately, she didn't lose them completely. Which in any civilized state would have been treated.
But not in Georgia. Not in Texas.
The best part is she was starting nursing school and already had a seven year old child. If you forced birthers weren't hypocrites, she might have been able to foresee a world where she could keep those kids. But in forced birther world, she'd be called a slut and denied any dignity.
Amber's big mistake is that when she left Georgia, she should have put her kid in the car and kept on driving until she left the South.
You’re mistaken. And the whole Amber Thurman story? She was pregnant with twins & took the abortion pill sadly…. Waited too long before seeking help, Had NOTHING to do with being given care. Her death was her own fault tragically.
All 3 would be alive had she chosen a different way of handling the circumstances. NOTHING to do with politics.
He was having a bonding time with Vance when he talked about whether or not you should prosecute parents of minors who shoot people. Vance said it should be on a case by case basis and Tim agreed. Then he said after getting to know them he has several shooters as friends and sometimes it is just the gun. I’m taking it a bit out of context but yes he said that, maybe not all in one sentence.
Yes, I heard “I’m friends with school shooters” just after talking about meeting with Sandy Hook families and how the families experiences affected him.
just got off this discussion on COffee and Covid and it seems he REALLY WAS arguing for compassion for the shooters and their mental illness. I have compassion too but more for the victims.
AND YES> lets look at the psych meds and MIND CONTROL emanating from you know who.
Pouted? In your imagination. He called Brennan out for evading the pre-debate rules and got his mike cut off for it. Brennan was the one who looked foolish.
Oh my, “threw a fit”, gasp. “Rational people” by the millions agree no matter who they are for, the debate restored civility to the political equation. Take up your definition of “rational” with them. Brennan violated pre-debate agreement and got called out for it. Fact.
But you don’t hear much from the media about the Democrat knucklehead comments. Only Trump Trump Trump so it’s refreshing to hear them get caught out to.
He refused to admit Trump lost in 2020. He claimed he was pro-IVF despite writing a foreword in support of a Heritage foundation publication that is anti-IVF. He claimed the border issue was entirely due to Kamala when Trump actively blocked the bipartisan border bill. Should I go on?
Well, just off the top of my head? Trump saved Obamacare. DHS effectively lost 320,000 children. Harris became the appointed Border Czar. Prescription drug costs. Just for starters. Then there’s the whole flip flop on abortion rights.
You seem like a bitter cat lady. Trump did keep Obamacare afloat when courts wouldn't let him kill it for a better alternative. DHS did lose track of 320,000 children. Harris was the Border Czar. Prescriptions did rise ~1% under Trump and ~7% under Biden. And changing position on abortion isn't a lie - although no one is better at the flip-flopping than Kami.
April, tell us where the 320k children are because that is a true statement and in fact the number is much higher. Prescription drugs such as insulin was reduced greatly under Trump and when Biden and Harris took over they increased the cost only to reduce it again to say they reduced it! Oh and if you need proof in the border czar appointment, there are only about 725 clips to prove it. Wake TF up
Ok. First of all you don’t need to be profane to get my attention. Every point I made has been fact checked. You cannot possibly ignore the fact that Trump and Vance lie. Vance admitted he will lie if it suits his purpose. Such as the nonsense about Haitians eating cats. Politicians all use puffery. I get that. But outright lies are not ok. Especially not when those lies have real life repercussions for innocent people such as the situations in Springfield. Kamala Harris is not mentally deficient. Saying things like this, blatantly name calling is not ok. Leaders should lead by example. We tell our children not to do these things - but Trump gets a pass by his followers? No. Not in my book. I am so fully aware nothing I will say will change your mind.
Btw, I’m not a bitter cat lady. I’m married with children, have a great career, active in various charities and was once a Republican. The Trump movement moved me away from the party. Oh and last, I have dogs, horses and chickens. No cats. I know fabulous people who have cats and, in fact, rescue cats. Not bitter people. Kind people. People who would never say unkind things like “bitter cat people.”
You so caught up in cats that you cannot for the life of you see the CHAOS around you - yes flooding a town of 50,000 with 20,000 Haitians is very problematic. How about what is going on in Colorado? Why do you not have a problem with the lies of Kamala|? The border is secure? Go take a look at what she did to Califormia???? I've been to San Fran - Do you like WW3? Do you like the CRIME??? People in glass houses....Please move along
Fact checked by whom? Waltz? Saying someone is "mentally deficient" is not "name calling." It's an opinion. Your arguments are weak. Vance was not the liar on stage.
Oh please. He meant it to be derogatory. And, in doing so also insulted millions of Americans who do have mental disabilities. Which is what he does. I’ve seen him do it.
Truth is truth. I fact check with independent sources, this way I get a true picture. If the source leans too far left or right I disregard. Now, can you say the same? I think not. I think you swallow everything you are fed. In order to get a true picture you have to look at all the sides.
I live in California. I have observed the work migrants do in my own area. They work hard. Really hard. Harder than I’ve ever worked. Pulling out individuals and claim they represent the whole is dishonest.
And, did you happen to notice that the lines to get into the Haitian businesses were packed with townspeople wanting to support them?
I’m not caught up with cats - JD was. Don’t put that on me. I just found the comment repellant.
Re: fact checking Kamala. Let’s take a look at her debate. Independent fact checkers found 3 possible exaggerations- not necessarily lies. 33 lies outright for Trump. Oh my. Are you not concerned about him calling everyone stupid juvenile names? Are you not concerned he is so susceptible to flattery? Are you not concerned his rallies focus on him self and his grudge rants? Are you not concerned he mumbles and delivers incoherent sentences? Does it not give you pause so many highly intelligent well respected people who have worked with him will not endorse him and worse claim he is not fit to be President? Even his own former Vice President? Does it not bother you he failed to admit he lost the election even after it was proven over and over and over again there was no voter fraud? And then encouraged an insurrection? Have you read the 2025 solution? If that doesn’t convince you then I completely give up.
It’s interesting. April didn’t say anything about the 320,000 missing children. Or about Walz lying about his rank in the military, carrying weapons of war or being in Tiananmen when he wasn’t. Weird.
Are you and Judith best friends? Gosh you are both struggling with a really bad strain of TDS. My prayers are with you both during this very hard time. You don’t have to struggle. Find a smart person to help you help yourself. You can do it ❤️
It’s funny that you all use “TDS” when we point out his lies. We aren’t the ones obsessing over someone who tells 30+ lies in a debate. That is unacceptable, whoever it is, and yet y’all just swallow it whole and ask for more.
No actually it’s not - it’s rather succinct and to the point because it takes care of all the nonsense you people project on anyone who has a brain. And, who also doesn’t have your tunnel vision hatred over a flawed man (like every other single human being on this planet) who loves this country and wants ALL the people in this country to succeed. Your projection is just that - PROJECTION. So cry harder and then have the loveliest day wallowing in your hatred 🥰
You, and your fellow trolls, don’t have an original thought in your brains. You copy/paste, then spew the lies ad nauseam. It’s actually pretty sad to watch. You all are miserable, angry, bitter people. For being the party of “tolerance”, I never see tolerance for others who don’t bow to the same rhetoric.
I thought you hated me. Why do you continue to care?
Again, never once have I copied or pasted anything, Tonni. I don’t take marching orders from news sources like y’all. I read candidates’ words and come to my own conclusions.
Something you may not realize about the Democratic Party is that they ask *us* what is a priority. They don’t tell us what to think.
Trump saved “Obama care”, Trump peacefully transitioned power, denied saying he wanted national abortion ban, but it’s not the lies that were damning, it’s all the times when he skillfully dodged any question that might be a problem for him or Trump.
Trump “salvaging” Obamacare when he actually tried to kill it, continuing Trump’s delusion the election was stolen from him, and continuing to flip flop on all issues (like abortion) to suit his audience.
The fact checkers are not held accountable. That’s what’s so scary about the neolibs and their new rhetoric about democracy and hate speech. Who gets to say what is “hate” speech? Scary!
In this case she was correct, there are legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, OH and JD’s attempt at “correcting” her was to talk about how asylum seeking works. That is not a rebuttal to her fact check.
He kept referring to the “Kamala Harris Administration”. Is she doing nothing or responsible for everything? One of the lies is that “her” administration gave Iran $100 billion. Housing is not 60% higher and blaming inflation on the President is for suckers and liars. He also lied about Fentanyl, continuing to push Trump’s false narrative about immigrants. One more - the big lie about ACA. Trump fought to repeal and cut funding for the ACA every chance he got. The number of uninsured Americans rose by 2.3 million under Trump.
That Trump made ACA better/more accessible/affordable. That they don’t support a federal abortion ban. That manufacturing jobs aren’t up under Biden. That Immigrants have anything to do with an increase in housing costs. CBP One app is a scheduling app, not a means to apply for parole and be granted legal status.
Who is “us”? He did great as expected. He’s had unfair and limited exposure. He was born for this moment and tonight introduced himself with compassion, integrity, honor, & showed us what an actual debate looks like.
And told “us” time and again about his beautiful wife and three children and his mother with addictions and his grandmother blah blah blah... we all have stories, they don’t make political policies. Get the violins out. America - it’s Handmaids Tale coming your way if you think this guy is a winner, he’s a creep. And JRK, you’ve sold your soul.
The same way Kamala tells us on every question she came from a middle class background, had a single mom, lived above a small business, her mom bought a home when she was in high school, etc…? It’s funny how Democrats/libs/ fake news only call things out on their opponents, never on their own candidate, even though it’s the same issue. As for policy, Kamala has nothing but a 1 year child tax credit, 50,000 for small businesses, and 25,000 for down payments (also repeated for every question she’s asked), none of which she can explain how she will pay for. Lastly, it’s so typical that you would resort to name calling. Very mature.
It’s amazing with the wars and poverty that has increased over this administration, people are most worried about their vagina and losing their talking point
Incorrect. She worked at McDonald’s before college. It’s hilarious to call two professors “academic elites” and tells me you have no clue how little academia pays.
The academic institutions of her parents were elite institutions. They pay a LOT. Way way more than my daughter earned teaching middle school. Way more.
Any evidence? Which McDonald's and where was it? Where are her former co-workers coming forward to crow about having worked with such a prominent person?
I would venture to say stories DO make policies. They shape who we are and our worldview. This is also shaped by others’ stories. Without that, what do we have?
Said the woman who apparently is fine with Kamala skirting questions by "I was rasied in a middle class home...people loved their yards..." Most of the people watching probably know nothing about Vance other than he loves God, his wife, children and America. Your side tends to say how he hates women - nothing could be further from the truth.
He has demonstrated his disregard for women. He thinks we are second class citizens, as shown by how he thinks abortion and women’s health care should be treated.
I truly feel sorry for you with the apparent TDS you seem to be suffering from. Get some help please. Mental health issues are real and can be treated.
This is such hateful nonsense. Inventing a non-medical “mental health” issue and then feigning support for people who need mental health care is very gross of you.
Leave your damn cult. You sound like a terrible person and I’m confident you aren’t one without the influence of Trump telling you it’s ok to act like an asshole to other adults in public forums.
That is one of the craziest statements so far, hilarity. What you posted is a poster for mass media, and shows a complete lack of awareness, a belief of what you are told is more dangerous than one who seeks knowledge
I like prayers that are sincere. I have a great circle of prayer warriors and we routinely pray for people in need and in gratitude. I don’t care for it if someone says they will pray for me in a Bless Your Heart kind of way. Prayer is serious to me.
Well now you bring up an interesting discussion. For me in my life I would have a hard time with having an abortion. Fortunately I was never faced with this decision. However, I grant the right to all women to make that decision for themselves.
I respect you feeling that it would be murder for you. That you believe in Jesus. Not everyone does. In a free country everyone should be able to choose their religion or choose no religion. Freedom from religious persecution is the very cornerstone of the founding of this great nation.
It is not the right of the persons who believe as you do, to assert that belief on others. It is very certainly faith based and therefore falls under religious persecution.
Since I have never been held to this test, I have no idea what it feels like to face the dilemma of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. But I do have great compassion for women who do and I prefer, rather than pass judgment leave that to them and their relationship with whatever they believe in. I am not the unborn baby police.
Bless your angry little heart. You have a nasty case of TDS, deliberate ignorance, with a lovely side effect of Karen. I’ve heard it gets worse over time and it looks like you are in the thick of it. Some say it’s even terminal. My suggestion, stop drinking the rancid kool aid of mainstream media. Only then do you have a fighting change. Good luck. I’m rooting for you. PS - if you are watching those dipshit clowns on MSMNBC, you deserve your ignorant TDS. That is the worst, most unqualified bunch of whiny ass toddlers I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s a D minus version of The View mixed with double shot of a Jerry Springer shit show.
Well whatever you are reading is not giving you facts or you would not be this way. I suggest you might fact check Walz or Kamala or just open your eyes and force some vitamin D in there. But, I would what’s in my wallet you have zero ability to do that because your TDS is so over the top. Good luck with that. I hear it gets worse as the days go by.
Oh my goodness. I have a different point of view. Not a disease. Can people not believe anything different from you? I have been respectful. The vitriol coming at me is disturbing. What really makes America Great is friendly discourse. Not name calling. Not saying I am blind or have some disorder (TDS) or that I need prayers. All you have done with that is make me absolutely sure this isn’t for me. So I’m going to go on with my full and happy day. Sincerely hoping the same for all on this thread.
Your problem (disorder) is that you can’t even consider that what you are saying about one side is in fact what the other side is doing. It is ridiculous, it bizarre, and it’s a passive aggressive form of gaslighting. Have a great day clutching uour pearls. Cheers.
I didn’t know anything substantive about Vance; didn’t understand his candidacy until a few weeks ago. I attended a Vance rally a few days before this debate partly as a committed voter and partly as research on my own party status.
His frequent town halls, appearances, etc. have been good practice for this debate. His TV image reminds me of learning about the power of contrast between JFK and Nixon in ‘60. His resting face was nearly content.
His performance, and content of his words further impressed me. I’ve decided to vote this election purely on policy, but Vance is a bonus.
Trump and Vance have continuously denied having anything to do with P 2025. I’ve read that Trump likely hasn’t even read it. I am a former Dem, regretting that the Democratic Party has taken opponents to court and become the party of War Hawks and Halliburton investors. I do not watch main stream news because it is all part of the deep state. I do so much work to find the independent journalists and news sources.
Two people who have provably lied and defended their right to lie to make themselves sound better told you they aren’t tied to project 2025 and you believe them?
Don’t believe that for a minute. Have you read any of it?
One sure sign of a red-lights-flashing-sirens-blaring misogynist, is when a person such JD Vance, repeatedly and without invitation, addresses women by their first name out of context/outside of a personal situation. The debate showed so much if you watch carefully!
I think you have man issues. Whenever a strong able bodied man enters a room, lib women scream “misogynist!” Look deeper at yourself perhaps? I know women who hate men, in general, and they say the exact same thing as you. It’s sad. Bless your heart.
It’s a flip-flop they were for it before they found out that everyone was against it, and it didn’t look good for Trump and Vance to be for their project 2025. The trump people wrote it
I doubt many of the people commenting here care a bit about Project 2025, abortion rights, access to healthcare, immigration, the border crisis, inflation, etc etc. They’re mostly MAGA cult members or fangirls of RFK jr, like the self-proclaimed “journalist” JRK. It’s shallow thinking, at best.
I was all on board from the get go. Charlie Kirk touted his strengths and weaknesses. I think he’s fabulous and I’m glad lots of women are getting on board! He’s just what we needed!
I've liked Vance since the beginning! I think he has great presidential potential! Especially after seeing him in that debate tonight. That's the 1st debate I can remember where I actually saw a clear, concise winner based on intellect! I just kept thinking, this is what a debate should look like (except the stupid moderators who still were clearly on the Dem side)!
I am not poor. I earn over six figure per year. I am college educated. Are you a bot, Stepford wife or just blinded by his charisma? He is evil. Look up and research project 2025.
Well for someone who claims to be so rich and clever you are extremely gullible. I mean, every comment of yours is textbook Democrat-memorized-flash-card or maybe those 6 figures come from Kamala’s chequebook? How many times do we have to tell you Trump and co doesn’t have anything to do with Project 2025. 🙄🙄🙄 The fact that Kamala repeats it eleventy seventy million times doesn’t make it true, but boy you seem to have fallen head line and sinker for it, for ALL of it, for that matter. 🤦♀️🤦♀️ Ever heard of Agenda 47?!! For someone who claims a college education, research doesn’t seem to be your strong point.
So you are telling me it's okay for Kamala to have a romantic relationship with Willie Brown WHILE in politics and that not seem conflicting. BUT JD can't have worked for a private venture capitalist BEFORE he got into politics and then have his boss be supportive of him wanting to be in politics? Just so I am clear?
We do realize Trump was of the Democratic elite during said affairs? Now I don't care to have an argument on who has less skeletons. Like you said we need to do our own research! We also need to decide who we want as a leader. Who, in the face of trial and attacks, will fight for the American people. Someone who will put the health of our children first (because what good is policy and human rights if everyone is dying!), above corporate greed. At the end of the day, what is important to you? Who do you believe will fight for what is important to you? If you and someone else have different answers that is OKAY. Doesn't mean you or I are lesser people or should be valued less.
Remember that THEY want us to continue to argue about left vs right while the deep state pulls strings for POTUS to print money to fund Ukraine and sends our troops to the Middle East while many of our troops would rather help their neighbors get out from under the historic storm in the Southeast.
We need to find middle ground. We need to end this war, winners or no, in Ukraine. We are among those who lost the war in Ukraine. Senseless provocation. Trump and Vance will end this, and I believe Vance can work with everyone on policy. I think he is showed us who he is (if we were listening to HIM!)
If I could comment on Walz instead, he came across well also, but when Walz said hate speech should be illegal, the follow up question is who gets to define what as hate speech. The XX/XY clothing started by former Levis exec and athlete Jennifer tried to run this ad on TikTok and was told by TikTok it was hate speech: https://youtu.be/0HYRsFNbm3o
Vance showed strength, poise and intellect. He articulated the conservative position well and talked about serving the country for each and every American. Really impressed with him. I enjoyed the respect from each side. You can tell that Harris/Walz never have to go outside of their comfort zone, all the state/mainstream media is pro-democrats. But on stages like this it can help to be accustomed to a tough crowd because you really need to have a spark of courage and a feeling of standing on your own. He did a great job.
Calm, cool, collected, clear, in command of the stage and the facts. Vance's transparency on changing his mind about Trump contrasted starkly with Walz's shifty off-topic rambling about having been ever so many times to China (who coached *that* answer!?!), only to concede in the end that he lied about Tiananmen Square. That was a house of cards - an entire city block of skyscrapers of cards - disintegrating in front of our eyes.
I thought Vance did amazing. Walz getting caught up in his lies and looked guilty as hell. He lied 🤥.
I want a t-shirt of Jd’s side eye!
Yes girl!
Those eyes 👀 🥰🥰🥰🥰
He came out terrified (and/or hopped up on something) and got lost in his own answers, failed at deflecting the easy ones, and seemed to give up in the first quarter. He's an assistant coach propped up by China, and every bit of that showed last night.
Walz is such a liar, and so untrustworthy.
Yes, Gov. Waltz is a liar and can not be trusted, and VP Harris is a liar and can not be trusted. They are a matched pair intellectually, and both lack integrity.
Y’all will really believe anything as long as it supports your hatefulness. Two men have been proven to be liars and yet you still believe them. It’s comical at this point.
Wow. The bots comment immediately.
JD said “have mercy” a phrase I haven’t heard since back when Uncle Jesse was on Full House (Of course, Uncle Jesse used the word in a different context). But JD said it with such sincerity because he’s human and a dad that wants America to be a safe country for all children, including the children whose parents disagree with him. In that moment & honestly the entire debate, they both showed such respect for each other, and it was refreshing to see. Tonight gave me a renewed hope for respectful disagreements in a world filled with personal attacks.
VERY refreshing to see!!! ❤️
It wasn’t difficult for him to look good against Walz. Walz admitted tonight to being a knucklehead and a liar, then continued to lie!
I have not been in the skeptic bus on Vance at all. He’s self made, been at and explored the bottom of life, learned from it and realized he needed to work hard to overcome life’s difficulties. I respect him a lot.
Go ahead and be upset about his cat lady stories and other exaggerations about his character but I’ll say this - if you had someone quoting you from your 20s to early 30s, would you sound smart all the time? It’s a known fact that our thinking brains aren’t fully developed until our mid twenties, with men’s brain possibly not fully developed until age 30, so I’m willing to forgive character challenges and changes as they age. However, Walz is definitely much older yet seems to have a life filled with half truths. That’s problematic at best.
If we’d vote as if we were hiring a CEO instead of a president would Walz be the best man for the acting CEO? I’d more likely choose a candidate (Vance) who has not only served his country, worked in the private sector successfully, and held public office. Being able to tell the truth about each of those roles is high on my list of qualifications , and Tim Walz falls very short on integrity.
He is not self made. He had been bought by Theil.
He has been groomed for years for this moment. He is a patsy!
Have you read his book? His story is incredible.
Hey I liked his book too, but this man hates women more then Trump
Well I’m a college educated Christian woman from Appalachia, and we share a lot of the same traditional values. He does not hate women. He was raised by a strong woman.
Which one? The mother he denigrates or the grandmother he praises for staying with a violent abuser?
his wife is awesome and she seems to like him.
Explain, please.
He’s married to a woman
For now.
If he and Trump enact their immigration policies, his inlaws will be deported.
Usha may decide to go with them.
I have not read that yet. I heard him speak about it. That was enough for me. Is his eyeliner permanent?
His story is a lie. Vance is not from Appalachia. Look where Middletown Ohio is on a map!
I’m aware of where Ohio is, Carol. Do you know anything about where his family is from or where he spent a lot of his time? There is a movie version of his story if books are difficult for you.
Hi Sydney, do you know the difference between fiction and nonfiction?
JD doesn't.
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Which story? The one he published or the one he lived?
Obviously, you have no idea of what it's like to grow up poor in Appalachia. He's not been groomed; no one would bother. The belief Vance has comes from within. You don't grow apart from pressure, and Vance had plenty of that in his early years. That's the reason he talks about issues instead of his lawn.
I grew up poor.
I do know what it’s like.
He was groomed older in life. How did he get into Yale?
He was bought and paid for by Theil.
You don’t have to believe me or my words. Do your own research.
This is nonsense. Read Hillbilly Elegy. That's what brought him to prominence. Yale was on scholarship, where he struggled to fit in mainstream culture, having come from a subculture.
Grew up poor where? “Poor” was not the only issue that his family dealt with. Suggest you reading the book or spending some time with kids in the hollers of Appalachia.
I don’t believe you & I have
Joan, I'm curious.
So when he claimed Trump was like Hitler, what were those beliefs based on?
According to Vance, he was blinded by the constant barrage of negative media. Then, Vance realized Trump’s policies were working. That he wasn’t a monster, but had been demonized.
You do realize I don’t know Vance personally. I only know what he last night during the debates. To satisfy your curiosity completely, call him yourself. Or simply google. It’s out there.
I've been following Vance since he ran for Senate against Tim Ryan.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-entertainment-health-175153d8a80d93b2c9c6654a6a730de9
And since Trump's policies increased the deficit, bankrupted farmers and led to the worst Covid death toll in the developed world, I'm curious which Trump policies you think convinced him.
More so than you? You're plugging for a presidential candidate that was appointed by elites of the party, against the will of the voters, your statement lacks substance
Ding, Ding, Ding!! Finally, someone pointed out the coup that put VP Harris at the top of the ticket against the wishes of Democrat voters! LOOK, at what the Democrats did to Robert F Kennedy, Jr. !! And when it came to choosing a side, Democrat or Republican, Robert F Kennedy chose the Republican side that welcomed him and his ideas even when they disagreed. The Democrats would not even talk to him, and Pres. Biden denied him Secret Service Protection. I was for RFK Jr. long before he left the Democrat Party, and I'm following him to the other side, along with other Democrats. I found it so refreshing for JD Vance to say how he values his wife, brags about her accomplishments and success, and her abilities not just as the mother of his children, but as a smart and highly regarded attorney and corporate litigator. Regarding Waltz debate performance, I found Waltz's crazy eyes BIZARRE, and he look terrified and nervous. Waltz lied about his ties with China, and the moderators did not fact check Waltz, or hide how they favored him. Waltz stated during the debate he learned a lot about governing in CHINA, and that is exactly what the USA will be like if Harris/Waltz are elected. Kiss your FREEDOMS goodbye. In China, abortion is the least of a woman's worries and homosexuals are in a closet with Christians, and human organs are harvested from healthy living people and sold. How many immigrants are dying to go to China? I could go on and on. Everyday, I see so many people who are filled with apathy, and numb from trying to live with the constant struggle, and do not know who to trust. Main stream media intentionally hides the truth and puts spin on everything, which is why I read Substack daily. But, I warn all of you. Former Sen. John Kerry spoke at the World Economic Forum and wants to eliminate the First Amendment. Please all of you who can, read or listen to Matt Taibbi's speech at Rescue the Republic held in Washington DC this last weekend, 9/29/2024. Matt Taibbi is a Democrat, and a journalist with 30 years experience, and his speech was EPIC. The globalists want to eliminate the first amendment, because in John Kerry's words "it makes us too difficult to govern". Well, I now know our government has not been truthful, and un-elected bureaucrats want to take away our free speech and that includes what is stated in this substack written by a very smart and gifted journalist. I value your insight, Jessica Reed Kraus, I pray everyday that you will always have the freedom to continue your work.
I know this is difficult for Republicans to understand but Democrats don't vote for people because they have a famous name.
Especially people who aren't currently sane.
This country would be a lot better off if you guys could adopt that minimum standard.
WELL DONE👏👏👏👏👏👏
Kamala wasn’t chosen by the voters. She’s had ZERO votes
I'm sorry you don't understand how primaries work.
Hey, when did YOU vote for JD Vance?
Okay so his childhood had no impact on him? While didn’t pay his mom’s rent or help his gramma when she struggled to put food in the table. Those things matter. DO NOT even think that he wasn’t self made. He lived it and pulled himself up from the examples around him. He has integrity.
Theil! Not While.
He's paid JD's rent since then.
And Peter Theil bought him a lovely Senate seat when JD failed at running businesses.
Really. Shall we talk about Kamala’s rise to the top and the payments made?
Certainly.
Do you have a source?
Apparently you haven’t read his book. His life story so far speaks for itself. Sorry you’re bitter. I know the poor whites don’t align with your world view.
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You sound like a Dick. Not Tracy, either.
This would not surprise me at all. Nothing can be ruled out, the possibilities are endless.
Great post so on point.
Sorry had to change a spelling error.
Really pathetic to comment negatively on personal looks, DJ. His eyelashes are great by the way. I just noticed that you guys share the same initials!
Yes, DJ commenting on looks is pretty bold😳
Don’t you have some spamming to do, Cara?
Keeping up with you trolls is a full time job!!
Have not appreciated or liked Vance and his rhetoric but tonight i thought, i can get behind this. I’ve heard his wicked smart wife is owed some credit. Have lived in MN under Walz so who he was, nothing new to me. Really enjoyed the debate overall and the decency from both men. Bring this back to politics.
Trump Vance 2024! ✌🏽🇺🇸✌🏽🇺🇸
The only way to go - Bring on Trump/Vance, America will be great again.
Because a million dead Americans weren't enough?
I hope none of your daughters or granddaughters have an ectopic pregnancy! They will bleed out for lack of care if these creeps get in the White House.
Complete lie. That’s called a miscarriage and a D&C- completely legal and accessible to ALL women.
Yip well said. The access to abortions and women’s care in America is phenomenal. It’s only the Democrats who keep telling you it’s not, and as of now, think women realize how the Dems are using the abortion issue to get the vote. It’s clearly not working anymore.
Great!
Now explain why maternal and infant mortality rates are so much higher in states with abortion bans.
Try getting maternal care in Texas and then get back to us
Why do you use euphemisms like "maternal care". Call it what it is: abortion.
Because MANY kinds of maternal care are limited in Texas, not just abortion.
Because we understand you're too dumb to understand the female anatomy without a coloring book.
Yes. I was disappointed Vance didn't point out what actually happened (woman took abortion pill and there were complications - a D&C should have been done immediatly). He also let Tim's lie about "145 police beat up and 4 died" - Something like that. I am thinking there was one more thing Vance let go but perhaps he was just trying to keep things moving. The death was awful but not the fault of abortion laws. The abortion pill is awful.
The one thing that I was bummed that Vance didn’t go in for the kill on, was when Tim started accusing Trump of wanting to put his political opponents in jail. And I was like, “hello!? That’s exactly what the Dems have been doing to Trump for years! “
Sorry when did Trump go to jail? I missed that.
Can you just stop?! Do you just sit around and play on this app all day long to put out nasty messages and negativity? You know exactly what I meant. The libs have been weaponizing the legal system to go after him and they are doing their damndest to put him in jail. Bye, KW. I’m so done with your trolling.
Why didn’t they perform a D&C immediately?
It wasn't done because doctors go to prison for doing it.
It didn’t help the two women that died in Georgia, doctors are afraid of going to jail so these women didn’t get the medical care that they deserved. You lie.
Not in the deep rural south states
this is just an absolute lie. I’ve lived in texas all of my 36 years and have been in the midst of childbearing era with all my girlfriends for a decade now. have personally known close friends experience phenomenal care for ectopic pregnancies and other pregnancy complications that sadly ended in a d&c. I myself have been through miscarriage care in this heartbeat bill state. Women are getting good care from doctors everyday and any other situation is malpractice (which happened before abortion bans too- often to patients receiving abortions). Please stop repeating this lie
When? When did you have friends get care for an ectopic pregnancy in Texas?
Ectopic pregnancy care is not considered "abortion." That is not included as the baby is not viable in an ectopic pregnancy. You are probably the most vile person I've ever come across online.
2021 and 2022.
I would encourage ignoring whatever the news produced in NY, DC, LA says, and start a dialogue with women who actually live here. Love so much that Jessica promotes that!
Answer the question. Did your friends get care before or after 2016?
I personally got care for miscarriage in 2023. The other 4 I’m thinking of were in 2021 and 2022 including ectopics. They’ve all had babies since those episodes too. You are spreading lies. Stop it.
All after 2016. If a woman experiences a miscarriage (which is medically tagged a spontaneous abortion but is from natural causes and is NOT abortion) in any state in this country, they have access to care that is protected by law including d&c and ectopic pregnancy and any doctor who lies about this should lose their license for malpractice. And any woman who spreads misinformation that scares other women from seeking care should STOP IT.
You can lie about that as much as you like.
Amber is still dead because no doctor in Georgia would treat her.
There's another woman in Texas who wasn't told an abortion would save her life. She's dead and her children motherless.
But hey, I know you guys. You won't believe it until the dead woman is related to you.
No. It’s not and they want to outlaw d and c as well. Please do some more research.
No one is outlawing D&Cs when necessary to protect the patient's life or when their physical health is severely compromised.
If the Democrats wanted women to have access to abortion on a federal level, they had 40 plus years to write and pass a law. They did not. They wanted to keep abortion in play for political reasons. Roe v Wade rested on weak Constitutional arguments—the right to privacy. Since the Constitution does not state that the right to privacy is an inalienable right, it is a state issue. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg stated that the Roe decision rested on shaky interpretation of the Constitution. The Democrats knew that Roe could easily be overturned with the right case being heard by the Supreme Court, still they proposed NO abortion legislation. They have only themselves to blame if they don’t like the laws states are passing.
Not in many states, that is literally why they were discussing Amber, who died because she didn’t have access to that care in her state.
Amber died because she took the abortion pill and became septic. Go do your research. If she had walked into ANY hospital ER she would not be denied care. Stop lying. She took a pill and ended up dying because of it. Nobody is being denied care, especially lifesaving care.
“ Amber Thurman, 28, had a rare complication from her abortion medication and went to Piedmont Henry Hospital in Stockbridge for a procedure that would remove tissue from the uterus. But doctors waited 20 hours to perform the dilation and curettage, allegedly leading to her death, according to Ben Crump, the family’s attorney.
Crump said the family intends to file a medical malpractice lawsuit.”
She was denied care for 20 hours and it killed her. Straight from her attorney.
Link: https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2024/10/01/watch-live-amber-thurmans-family-speaks-out-after-georgia-judge-strikes-down-6-week-abortion-ban/
I have someone I know who sat in the ER for 10 hours with pneumonia and became septic. People aren’t getting the care they need because hospitals are understaffed and clogged with people who can’t get care anywhere else. She wasn’t denied care because she had an abortion. If she had appendicitis the outcome would have been the same. And here’s a thought. If she didn’t take the pill to give herself an abortion, or if she sought medical care to have the child aborted she wouldn’t have died. Her body, her choice. She made it.
Her attorney is an ambulance chaser. Had she not taken the abortion pill she would still be alive.. Yes, she needed a D&C but wait until the other side puts on their defense before you get all hot and bothered. It is not a "rare complication." That pill is dangerous and causes severe bleeding and cramping. Read UnPlanned to educate yourself.
So for you, the most important thing in the world is the right to murder a baby, and you are more than willing to lie about it. Culture of Death: Kamala is the high priestess and Walz is the court jester. In May of 2023 Walz signed into law legislation that removed the requirement to try to save the life of a baby born alive after an attempted abortion. There is a commercial online with the sound of a baby suffocating to death under this law. That is what you represent. That is what you want for your daughters.
The most important thing is to keep mothers and children alive.
Which red states fail at.
The culture of death? You don't care if people died from Covid. You don't fund prenatal care. You for the most part turned down the Medicaid expansion. You're removing restrictions on child labor and childhood vaccinations.
You're poorer, sicker and less well educated.
There is not one positive thing red state populations excel at.
When does a fetus become a baby?
Fetus literally means "offspring." If you're baking a cake and put the batter in the oven its still a cake. Conception makes a baby. Period.
Perpetuating this nonsense is so ridiculous. No one would be denied emergency healthcare when having an ectopic pregnancy. Trying to keep the hysteria going by saying things like this is just absurd.
Bullshit and I’m sorry if you know someone who had an ectopic pregnancy I hope they have recovered from their ordeal. On the upside I have two cousins who both had ectopic pregnancies they both have gone on to fall pregnant again very easily.
When?
That is a complete lie and deliberate mischaracterization of facts!!!
You do realize Amber Thurman died of a botched abortion, is that the reference?
No she didn’t, she died because she took mifepristone not from an abortion.
You do realize that medication IS the abortion pill, right? You argued against yourself lost. You may be skinny but you're not smart.
lol y’all are fighting amongst yourselves now?
Just do the research, don't just rely on narratives you're fed, it was a botched abortion, why did she take mifepristone?, where did she get it?, who gave it to her?, and what was the actual cause of death? Saying something is not true doesn't make it true
She went to North Carolina to get the mifepristone because she was in an early stage of pregnancy with twins. It's not illegal in North Carolina.
Unfortunately, she didn't lose them completely. Which in any civilized state would have been treated.
But not in Georgia. Not in Texas.
The best part is she was starting nursing school and already had a seven year old child. If you forced birthers weren't hypocrites, she might have been able to foresee a world where she could keep those kids. But in forced birther world, she'd be called a slut and denied any dignity.
Amber's big mistake is that when she left Georgia, she should have put her kid in the car and kept on driving until she left the South.
She died because the hospital was afraid of being charged if they did the standard d&c.
And if she had carried her twins to term -- twins she could not afford to keep -- you would be calling her a slut.
You’re mistaken. And the whole Amber Thurman story? She was pregnant with twins & took the abortion pill sadly…. Waited too long before seeking help, Had NOTHING to do with being given care. Her death was her own fault tragically.
All 3 would be alive had she chosen a different way of handling the circumstances. NOTHING to do with politics.
She was denied a D&C for 20 hours. Her family is suing for medical malpractice.
What are you talking about? That is a medical issue and always taken care of. Are you a bot? Get on board with the truth.
Dj don’t bother they are all drinking the coolaide
Simply put, Not true.
He was simply great! Cool and collected. While Tim just… “I’m friends with school shooters”
What was that all about? I missed it!
He was having a bonding time with Vance when he talked about whether or not you should prosecute parents of minors who shoot people. Vance said it should be on a case by case basis and Tim agreed. Then he said after getting to know them he has several shooters as friends and sometimes it is just the gun. I’m taking it a bit out of context but yes he said that, maybe not all in one sentence.
Yes, I heard “I’m friends with school shooters” just after talking about meeting with Sandy Hook families and how the families experiences affected him.
Robyn - I’m confused- friends w the shooters themselves?
AND- sometimes it’s just the gun- as in gun over mental illness/brainwashing/ evil?!?
I’m pretty sure he meant friends with victims, but he said the wrong thing and then didn’t correct himself.
just got off this discussion on COffee and Covid and it seems he REALLY WAS arguing for compassion for the shooters and their mental illness. I have compassion too but more for the victims.
AND YES> lets look at the psych meds and MIND CONTROL emanating from you know who.
No, he wasn’t. He just misspoke. Pretty simple. He meant he is friends with victims of school shooters.
Thank you your context was brilliant.
Go back and listen again.
Or do you not remember Sandy Hook?
Bridget, of course. And I did say he probably mis-spoke. Time to let it go. You’re not changing minds.
He meant to say I’m friends with the families of the victims of school shooters, or something to that effect. Freudian slip? Lol
Pouted? He has had so many OTHER THINGS he could have “pouted about”, I think NOT. Pouting is a waste of time & he’s NOT wasted ONE MINUTE.
Looked and sounded like pouting to me.
Not a Freudian slip, he simply misspoke.
Vance pouted over being fact checked.
Pouted? In your imagination. He called Brennan out for evading the pre-debate rules and got his mike cut off for it. Brennan was the one who looked foolish.
Not to rational people. He threw a fit about being fact checked because he wants to lie, as he’s previously admitted.
Oh my, “threw a fit”, gasp. “Rational people” by the millions agree no matter who they are for, the debate restored civility to the political equation. Take up your definition of “rational” with them. Brennan violated pre-debate agreement and got called out for it. Fact.
The presidential election.
These two are the VP elects.
I thought I heard him wrong but listened again and he sure did say that. Must have just been a “knucklehead” comment of his 😆
He has a history of “misspeaking” 🤥🤥🤥
More like talking bullshit to put it plainly.
But you don’t hear much from the media about the Democrat knucklehead comments. Only Trump Trump Trump so it’s refreshing to hear them get caught out to.
No.
Tim Walz was talking about meeting with the parents of the Sandy Hook victims when he was in Congress.
Because Tim Walz doesn't think school shootings are inevitable.
Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me. The man lied for 90 minutes straight. Just because you fell for it doesn’t mean the rest of us did.
What were these lies?
Exactly … I’d love to hear these “lies” … can’t wait to hear Judith
LOL. These 'types' never have an aswer..... so typical
He refused to admit Trump lost in 2020. He claimed he was pro-IVF despite writing a foreword in support of a Heritage foundation publication that is anti-IVF. He claimed the border issue was entirely due to Kamala when Trump actively blocked the bipartisan border bill. Should I go on?
We have legitimate answers but you can’t hear them.
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Well, just off the top of my head? Trump saved Obamacare. DHS effectively lost 320,000 children. Harris became the appointed Border Czar. Prescription drug costs. Just for starters. Then there’s the whole flip flop on abortion rights.
You seem like a bitter cat lady. Trump did keep Obamacare afloat when courts wouldn't let him kill it for a better alternative. DHS did lose track of 320,000 children. Harris was the Border Czar. Prescriptions did rise ~1% under Trump and ~7% under Biden. And changing position on abortion isn't a lie - although no one is better at the flip-flopping than Kami.
Yeah a bitter cat lady PH.
What was the “better alternative”?
April, tell us where the 320k children are because that is a true statement and in fact the number is much higher. Prescription drugs such as insulin was reduced greatly under Trump and when Biden and Harris took over they increased the cost only to reduce it again to say they reduced it! Oh and if you need proof in the border czar appointment, there are only about 725 clips to prove it. Wake TF up
My late mother had an expression “ There are none so blind as those that will not see”
Ok. First of all you don’t need to be profane to get my attention. Every point I made has been fact checked. You cannot possibly ignore the fact that Trump and Vance lie. Vance admitted he will lie if it suits his purpose. Such as the nonsense about Haitians eating cats. Politicians all use puffery. I get that. But outright lies are not ok. Especially not when those lies have real life repercussions for innocent people such as the situations in Springfield. Kamala Harris is not mentally deficient. Saying things like this, blatantly name calling is not ok. Leaders should lead by example. We tell our children not to do these things - but Trump gets a pass by his followers? No. Not in my book. I am so fully aware nothing I will say will change your mind.
Btw, I’m not a bitter cat lady. I’m married with children, have a great career, active in various charities and was once a Republican. The Trump movement moved me away from the party. Oh and last, I have dogs, horses and chickens. No cats. I know fabulous people who have cats and, in fact, rescue cats. Not bitter people. Kind people. People who would never say unkind things like “bitter cat people.”
You so caught up in cats that you cannot for the life of you see the CHAOS around you - yes flooding a town of 50,000 with 20,000 Haitians is very problematic. How about what is going on in Colorado? Why do you not have a problem with the lies of Kamala|? The border is secure? Go take a look at what she did to Califormia???? I've been to San Fran - Do you like WW3? Do you like the CRIME??? People in glass houses....Please move along
Why is it a problem to have Haitian refugees in a town?
Fact checked by whom? Waltz? Saying someone is "mentally deficient" is not "name calling." It's an opinion. Your arguments are weak. Vance was not the liar on stage.
Oh please. He meant it to be derogatory. And, in doing so also insulted millions of Americans who do have mental disabilities. Which is what he does. I’ve seen him do it.
Truth is truth. I fact check with independent sources, this way I get a true picture. If the source leans too far left or right I disregard. Now, can you say the same? I think not. I think you swallow everything you are fed. In order to get a true picture you have to look at all the sides.
I live in California. I have observed the work migrants do in my own area. They work hard. Really hard. Harder than I’ve ever worked. Pulling out individuals and claim they represent the whole is dishonest.
And, did you happen to notice that the lines to get into the Haitian businesses were packed with townspeople wanting to support them?
I’m not caught up with cats - JD was. Don’t put that on me. I just found the comment repellant.
Re: fact checking Kamala. Let’s take a look at her debate. Independent fact checkers found 3 possible exaggerations- not necessarily lies. 33 lies outright for Trump. Oh my. Are you not concerned about him calling everyone stupid juvenile names? Are you not concerned he is so susceptible to flattery? Are you not concerned his rallies focus on him self and his grudge rants? Are you not concerned he mumbles and delivers incoherent sentences? Does it not give you pause so many highly intelligent well respected people who have worked with him will not endorse him and worse claim he is not fit to be President? Even his own former Vice President? Does it not bother you he failed to admit he lost the election even after it was proven over and over and over again there was no voter fraud? And then encouraged an insurrection? Have you read the 2025 solution? If that doesn’t convince you then I completely give up.
Just don’t say I didn’t tell you so.
It’s interesting. April didn’t say anything about the 320,000 missing children. Or about Walz lying about his rank in the military, carrying weapons of war or being in Tiananmen when he wasn’t. Weird.
Oh my gosh. Insulin prices were permanently capped under Biden, not Trump. Trump’s “plan” was optional and underused. https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-facts-about-the-35-insulin-copay-cap-in-medicare/
Are you and Judith best friends? Gosh you are both struggling with a really bad strain of TDS. My prayers are with you both during this very hard time. You don’t have to struggle. Find a smart person to help you help yourself. You can do it ❤️
The trolls come out under different names each article. They all have the same exact talking points. So easy to spot.
It’s funny that you all use “TDS” when we point out his lies. We aren’t the ones obsessing over someone who tells 30+ lies in a debate. That is unacceptable, whoever it is, and yet y’all just swallow it whole and ask for more.
No actually it’s not - it’s rather succinct and to the point because it takes care of all the nonsense you people project on anyone who has a brain. And, who also doesn’t have your tunnel vision hatred over a flawed man (like every other single human being on this planet) who loves this country and wants ALL the people in this country to succeed. Your projection is just that - PROJECTION. So cry harder and then have the loveliest day wallowing in your hatred 🥰
I’m not crying or wallowing, dear; I’m chillin.
You seem a little out there. Men aren’t gods. No one is perfect. We know this and y’all love to ignore it for Trump. It’s honestly so bizarre.
You, and your fellow trolls, don’t have an original thought in your brains. You copy/paste, then spew the lies ad nauseam. It’s actually pretty sad to watch. You all are miserable, angry, bitter people. For being the party of “tolerance”, I never see tolerance for others who don’t bow to the same rhetoric.
I thought you hated me. Why do you continue to care?
I don’t know you and I don’t hate anyone.
Again, never once have I copied or pasted anything, Tonni. I don’t take marching orders from news sources like y’all. I read candidates’ words and come to my own conclusions.
Something you may not realize about the Democratic Party is that they ask *us* what is a priority. They don’t tell us what to think.
Uh huh
Trump saved “Obama care”, Trump peacefully transitioned power, denied saying he wanted national abortion ban, but it’s not the lies that were damning, it’s all the times when he skillfully dodged any question that might be a problem for him or Trump.
Clever man our JD.
Blatantly refusing to answer a question is not “skillful”
Trump “salvaging” Obamacare when he actually tried to kill it, continuing Trump’s delusion the election was stolen from him, and continuing to flip flop on all issues (like abortion) to suit his audience.
He literally complained about being fact checked and then lied *again* when “clarifying” the fact check.
Have you fact checked the fact checkers? They aren't always right either.
The fact checkers are not held accountable. That’s what’s so scary about the neolibs and their new rhetoric about democracy and hate speech. Who gets to say what is “hate” speech? Scary!
In this case she was correct, there are legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, OH and JD’s attempt at “correcting” her was to talk about how asylum seeking works. That is not a rebuttal to her fact check.
He kept referring to the “Kamala Harris Administration”. Is she doing nothing or responsible for everything? One of the lies is that “her” administration gave Iran $100 billion. Housing is not 60% higher and blaming inflation on the President is for suckers and liars. He also lied about Fentanyl, continuing to push Trump’s false narrative about immigrants. One more - the big lie about ACA. Trump fought to repeal and cut funding for the ACA every chance he got. The number of uninsured Americans rose by 2.3 million under Trump.
That Trump made ACA better/more accessible/affordable. That they don’t support a federal abortion ban. That manufacturing jobs aren’t up under Biden. That Immigrants have anything to do with an increase in housing costs. CBP One app is a scheduling app, not a means to apply for parole and be granted legal status.
Neither my son nor my daughter could afford a health plan under the ACA. It's not the magic and affordable solution they pretend it is.
Who is “us”? He did great as expected. He’s had unfair and limited exposure. He was born for this moment and tonight introduced himself with compassion, integrity, honor, & showed us what an actual debate looks like.
And told “us” time and again about his beautiful wife and three children and his mother with addictions and his grandmother blah blah blah... we all have stories, they don’t make political policies. Get the violins out. America - it’s Handmaids Tale coming your way if you think this guy is a winner, he’s a creep. And JRK, you’ve sold your soul.
The same way Kamala tells us on every question she came from a middle class background, had a single mom, lived above a small business, her mom bought a home when she was in high school, etc…? It’s funny how Democrats/libs/ fake news only call things out on their opponents, never on their own candidate, even though it’s the same issue. As for policy, Kamala has nothing but a 1 year child tax credit, 50,000 for small businesses, and 25,000 for down payments (also repeated for every question she’s asked), none of which she can explain how she will pay for. Lastly, it’s so typical that you would resort to name calling. Very mature.
Great post!
It’s amazing with the wars and poverty that has increased over this administration, people are most worried about their vagina and losing their talking point
😂😂😂
His story was a literal best seller made into a movie. A bit more interesting than the rest of our stories, tbh.
Twilight was a best seller. The general public has shit taste.
We’ll wait a minute. How many times are we going to listen to Kamala go on and on about her ‘middle class roots and working for McDonalds’?
Research shows she never worked at McDonalds and she was the daughter of academic elite and was never middle class.
Incorrect. She worked at McDonald’s before college. It’s hilarious to call two professors “academic elites” and tells me you have no clue how little academia pays.
The academic institutions of her parents were elite institutions. They pay a LOT. Way way more than my daughter earned teaching middle school. Way more.
Any evidence? Which McDonald's and where was it? Where are her former co-workers coming forward to crow about having worked with such a prominent person?
I would venture to say stories DO make policies. They shape who we are and our worldview. This is also shaped by others’ stories. Without that, what do we have?
Yikes. Bitter, party of one. Be nicer
Not bitter, just truthful. Be smarter
I was talking to the original commenter, not you ☺️❤️
Said the woman who apparently is fine with Kamala skirting questions by "I was rasied in a middle class home...people loved their yards..." Most of the people watching probably know nothing about Vance other than he loves God, his wife, children and America. Your side tends to say how he hates women - nothing could be further from the truth.
He has demonstrated his disregard for women. He thinks we are second class citizens, as shown by how he thinks abortion and women’s health care should be treated.
Anyone who is for the killing off of an entire race is despicable. Black babies matter.
How do you support children after they’re born, Tonni? Your party doesn’t care about single mothers who need financial support.
Be honest. You’re pro-forced birth. Women OF ALL RACES have agency; we are not brood mares.
I truly feel sorry for you with the apparent TDS you seem to be suffering from. Get some help please. Mental health issues are real and can be treated.
This is such hateful nonsense. Inventing a non-medical “mental health” issue and then feigning support for people who need mental health care is very gross of you.
Leave your damn cult. You sound like a terrible person and I’m confident you aren’t one without the influence of Trump telling you it’s ok to act like an asshole to other adults in public forums.
Says the woman who acts like an asshole every time she types.
Tonni, with all due respect, touch grass.
That is one of the craziest statements so far, hilarity. What you posted is a poster for mass media, and shows a complete lack of awareness, a belief of what you are told is more dangerous than one who seeks knowledge
Boooo
Judy, Judy, Judy….just because you have only watched mainstream media doesn’t mean JD lied, it means you haven’t been paying attention. Wake up girl.
Please explain Judith, you sound very angry and triggered. I will pray for you.
Please with the prayers. Don’t use G-d to be condescending to people with a different viewpoint.
April, I will pray for you too🙏🏼
I like prayers that are sincere. I have a great circle of prayer warriors and we routinely pray for people in need and in gratitude. I don’t care for it if someone says they will pray for me in a Bless Your Heart kind of way. Prayer is serious to me.
You might pray to Jesus and ask Him what He thinks of the left killing off His unborn children.
Well now you bring up an interesting discussion. For me in my life I would have a hard time with having an abortion. Fortunately I was never faced with this decision. However, I grant the right to all women to make that decision for themselves.
I respect you feeling that it would be murder for you. That you believe in Jesus. Not everyone does. In a free country everyone should be able to choose their religion or choose no religion. Freedom from religious persecution is the very cornerstone of the founding of this great nation.
It is not the right of the persons who believe as you do, to assert that belief on others. It is very certainly faith based and therefore falls under religious persecution.
Since I have never been held to this test, I have no idea what it feels like to face the dilemma of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. But I do have great compassion for women who do and I prefer, rather than pass judgment leave that to them and their relationship with whatever they believe in. I am not the unborn baby police.
No JD is the real deal. So refreshing to hear someone who could answer questions intelligenty and with integrity.
Bless your angry little heart. You have a nasty case of TDS, deliberate ignorance, with a lovely side effect of Karen. I’ve heard it gets worse over time and it looks like you are in the thick of it. Some say it’s even terminal. My suggestion, stop drinking the rancid kool aid of mainstream media. Only then do you have a fighting change. Good luck. I’m rooting for you. PS - if you are watching those dipshit clowns on MSMNBC, you deserve your ignorant TDS. That is the worst, most unqualified bunch of whiny ass toddlers I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s a D minus version of The View mixed with double shot of a Jerry Springer shit show.
It might surprise you to know I’ve never watched msmbc. I read. Now there’s a concept. I research. I search out real facts. Unbiased.
Well whatever you are reading is not giving you facts or you would not be this way. I suggest you might fact check Walz or Kamala or just open your eyes and force some vitamin D in there. But, I would what’s in my wallet you have zero ability to do that because your TDS is so over the top. Good luck with that. I hear it gets worse as the days go by.
Oh my goodness. I have a different point of view. Not a disease. Can people not believe anything different from you? I have been respectful. The vitriol coming at me is disturbing. What really makes America Great is friendly discourse. Not name calling. Not saying I am blind or have some disorder (TDS) or that I need prayers. All you have done with that is make me absolutely sure this isn’t for me. So I’m going to go on with my full and happy day. Sincerely hoping the same for all on this thread.
Your problem (disorder) is that you can’t even consider that what you are saying about one side is in fact what the other side is doing. It is ridiculous, it bizarre, and it’s a passive aggressive form of gaslighting. Have a great day clutching uour pearls. Cheers.
Jennifer, you are projecting.
You’re in a cult.
You suffer SEVERE cognitive dissonance, or were watching a different debate than the rest of us
Just because you disagree, doesn’t mean someone has a “disorder” hey let’s shake hands and walk away 🤣🤣🤣
Yoo-hoo…Judith, are you there??
Just because you didn't like what he said doesn't make it a lie.
Said the "probably" Childless Cat Woman.
Ma’am you are making social media face from 2009 in your photo, please don’t mock people.
Yes, please tells us “what lies?” You will not find many more politicians that are more honest than JD Vance!
If that’s true we are in bigger trouble than I realized if those two clowns get elected. 😂
TDS??
I didn’t know anything substantive about Vance; didn’t understand his candidacy until a few weeks ago. I attended a Vance rally a few days before this debate partly as a committed voter and partly as research on my own party status.
His frequent town halls, appearances, etc. have been good practice for this debate. His TV image reminds me of learning about the power of contrast between JFK and Nixon in ‘60. His resting face was nearly content.
His performance, and content of his words further impressed me. I’ve decided to vote this election purely on policy, but Vance is a bonus.
He is no bonus he is evil. Do more research on project 2025! Please!!
Trump and Vance have continuously denied having anything to do with P 2025. I’ve read that Trump likely hasn’t even read it. I am a former Dem, regretting that the Democratic Party has taken opponents to court and become the party of War Hawks and Halliburton investors. I do not watch main stream news because it is all part of the deep state. I do so much work to find the independent journalists and news sources.
And you believe them?
Vance wrote the introduction to 2025
Two people who have provably lied and defended their right to lie to make themselves sound better told you they aren’t tied to project 2025 and you believe them?
For the millionth time, Trump and Vance have NOTHING to do with Project 2025.
Again, stop watching MSM. He and Trump have very clearly and often said they have nothing to do with Project 2025 and they don’t want it!
Don’t believe that for a minute. Have you read any of it?
One sure sign of a red-lights-flashing-sirens-blaring misogynist, is when a person such JD Vance, repeatedly and without invitation, addresses women by their first name out of context/outside of a personal situation. The debate showed so much if you watch carefully!
I think you have man issues. Whenever a strong able bodied man enters a room, lib women scream “misogynist!” Look deeper at yourself perhaps? I know women who hate men, in general, and they say the exact same thing as you. It’s sad. Bless your heart.
I’m married to a strong, able bodied man. He looks and sounds nothing like JD Vance, lmao.
Oh no, addressing women by their first names! 😱
It would be super unprofessional to call them “Walz” and “JD”. This also applies to women. It’s Harris and Trump, not Kamala and Trump.
I’m not sure why it’s hard to understand even application of courtesy.
I don’t watch msm.
Again, you believe him??
It’s a flip-flop they were for it before they found out that everyone was against it, and it didn’t look good for Trump and Vance to be for their project 2025. The trump people wrote it
Please excuse DJ. She suffers from a severe case of TDS.
No I don’t. I am living a great life here in the deep red south.
I doubt many of the people commenting here care a bit about Project 2025, abortion rights, access to healthcare, immigration, the border crisis, inflation, etc etc. They’re mostly MAGA cult members or fangirls of RFK jr, like the self-proclaimed “journalist” JRK. It’s shallow thinking, at best.
What a man, what a man, what a man, what a mighty good man
😄😄
Why was his hair so greasy looking?
Must be a good reason not to vote for him. Deep, very deep analysis.
Good Lord you’re obsessed. Now it’s his “greasy hair?” 🤣🤣😂🤣
Folks made fun of Tim’s eyes; so yes, I can make comments about him not looking like he had a shower in a week.
I’ve always liked Vance, but he exceeded all expectations tonight!
I was all on board from the get go. Charlie Kirk touted his strengths and weaknesses. I think he’s fabulous and I’m glad lots of women are getting on board! He’s just what we needed!
Yep, I was one of those women. He was incredibly good👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Don’t take the bait anymore - DJ is a troll!
The heck I am. I am an old lady enjoying life. Trying to educate some of you.
There are quite a few “new” readers over night. They’re all the same. Different names, same talking points. All trolls.
DJ, KW…I’m sensing a pattern🤣🤣
Bingo! 😁
Y’all are still on this? Surprise, substack assigns you a letter set if you don’t choose a different username. That’s the default.
None of us even write similarly and yet you’re over here formulating conspiracy theories. It’s so predictable.
😂😂😂😼😼😼
Agreed.
He is a sheep in wolfs clothing. He is a wolf in sheep clothing? He is evil don’t be fooled by the charisma.
He’s a sheep in sheep’s clothing but these folks all believe he’s a wolf lmao
I've liked Vance since the beginning! I think he has great presidential potential! Especially after seeing him in that debate tonight. That's the 1st debate I can remember where I actually saw a clear, concise winner based on intellect! I just kept thinking, this is what a debate should look like (except the stupid moderators who still were clearly on the Dem side)!
It was all lies.
Project 2025. Look it up!
He is a smooth talker. Easy in the eye.
Skull and bones member. Bought and groomed by Theil.
DJ, you poor thing. Take a breath.
I am not poor. I earn over six figure per year. I am college educated. Are you a bot, Stepford wife or just blinded by his charisma? He is evil. Look up and research project 2025.
MSM has a very strong hold on you. I’ll pray for you.
Well for someone who claims to be so rich and clever you are extremely gullible. I mean, every comment of yours is textbook Democrat-memorized-flash-card or maybe those 6 figures come from Kamala’s chequebook? How many times do we have to tell you Trump and co doesn’t have anything to do with Project 2025. 🙄🙄🙄 The fact that Kamala repeats it eleventy seventy million times doesn’t make it true, but boy you seem to have fallen head line and sinker for it, for ALL of it, for that matter. 🤦♀️🤦♀️ Ever heard of Agenda 47?!! For someone who claims a college education, research doesn’t seem to be your strong point.
Are you even in the US?
That explains a lot.
She speaks truth. Look up “JD Vance wrote the foreword for Project 2025’s Kevin Roberts’ upcoming book.”
😂😂😂
So you are telling me it's okay for Kamala to have a romantic relationship with Willie Brown WHILE in politics and that not seem conflicting. BUT JD can't have worked for a private venture capitalist BEFORE he got into politics and then have his boss be supportive of him wanting to be in politics? Just so I am clear?
So trump can have all these adulterous affairs while married? And that’s ok??
The party of good Christians??
I don’t like either one of them. Trump or Harris.
I’m not a democrat.
Be aware trump won’t last long if elected as Vance throws him under the bus or he has health issues. Vance will be your pres if trump wins.
You don’t have to agree or even like what I write. That’s ok.
Do your own research.
Dig deep.
Research what is coming down the road.
We do realize Trump was of the Democratic elite during said affairs? Now I don't care to have an argument on who has less skeletons. Like you said we need to do our own research! We also need to decide who we want as a leader. Who, in the face of trial and attacks, will fight for the American people. Someone who will put the health of our children first (because what good is policy and human rights if everyone is dying!), above corporate greed. At the end of the day, what is important to you? Who do you believe will fight for what is important to you? If you and someone else have different answers that is OKAY. Doesn't mean you or I are lesser people or should be valued less.
LMAO this is your argument, now?? “He was a Dem during the affairs”?? Lord help us.
It's not an argument? its a fact. And that's all you got from what I said? Come on now
Remember that THEY want us to continue to argue about left vs right while the deep state pulls strings for POTUS to print money to fund Ukraine and sends our troops to the Middle East while many of our troops would rather help their neighbors get out from under the historic storm in the Southeast.
We need to find middle ground. We need to end this war, winners or no, in Ukraine. We are among those who lost the war in Ukraine. Senseless provocation. Trump and Vance will end this, and I believe Vance can work with everyone on policy. I think he is showed us who he is (if we were listening to HIM!)
If I could comment on Walz instead, he came across well also, but when Walz said hate speech should be illegal, the follow up question is who gets to define what as hate speech. The XX/XY clothing started by former Levis exec and athlete Jennifer tried to run this ad on TikTok and was told by TikTok it was hate speech: https://youtu.be/0HYRsFNbm3o
Anyone not a straight white male understands what hate speech is.
Anyone from the lgbtq family care to chime in on this?
Any minority?
Any women?
They hate women!
Great ad thanks for sharing!